Need advice plz..

[Bishop]

Hi all.. I’m new to the forums and addicted to paintball  . While I’m still pretty much a noobie when it comes to the game, I think I have a pretty good perspective as to what I tend to play mostly which is woodsball predominantly. So my son and I looking at some are looking into the Milson type. I’m looking to get a Phenom in the next few months and then start working with mod enhancements.

So I had bought a Tippmann A5 customized to look like an M4 with e-trigger and all.. and this past weekend I was a victim of theft   needless to say I was bummed out a bit.

Today, someone that heard my misfortune presented a package deal to me. I’m asking your advice for the following marker as a backup down the line and for my son as a starter marker and recommended upgrades. Is it worth it?. Not sure what the velocity of these markers go up to..

For $150.00
(2) Kingman Spyder XTRA 05’s w/ carrying case– used twice in the back yard for testing only.
(2) EZ Loader paintball loaders VL2000 viewloaded (I'll probably need to upgrade these)
(2) C02 tanks 9oz small.. (I know I will need to upgrade these right away.)
(2) JT Elite Alpha Mask black (one still in a box).
(1) Box of paintball
(1) Barrel cleaning kit.
Here is a link to what the XTRA looks like since it's 05 model.. The markers were not bought as a bundle.
http://www.directpaintball.com/Spyder-Xtra-Paintball-Gun-Super-Kit-05-P10274.aspx

Greatly appreciate your feedback

Bishop..

[Enhander]

Hey man,
First off, welcome to the forum. Secondly, Im sorry to hear about the theft..its a shame that there are people out there that do that kind of thing.

In my opinion, I wouldnt bother with a Spyder. Old school Spyders (circa 1998-1999) were decent, these newer ones are just junk.

For $150 you can get an Uppd A5 again, (off of Paintball forums BST's) or a number of other markers that are much better.

You can also get a decent electronic marker, such as an Ion or Proto SLG for around that price. (I have an SLG for sale if you're interested in it, I can cut you a deal)

Whichever your decision, feel free to post up here and get some feedback before you buy. We're more than happy to help ya out!

[Storm]

I will have to agree with Enhander.  The older Spyders were awesome once tuned.  These new ones are just cheap junk.  I would watch forums for some deals on A-5's or SLG's.  Both are usually on there relatively cheap and are reliable guns.

[Bishop]

Appreciate the feedback. Enhander i'll hit you up in PM and you can let me know about the SLG...

So yesterday i was doing some research and wanted to get your thoughts... I ran into a DP G4 and reading the reviews and priced at 300.00 with all the programming you can do with it and how they nowbuilt the G4, am i wrong is saying is the best gun out there for the price? i think the only upgrade they mention was the barrel to get a two piece, but not bad as a starter.

[Enhander]

DP markers are good. But there are guns equally priced that are just as good, if not better in some cases. Ive personally never been a fan of DP markers, but Ive heard good things about them.

[Storm]

DP markers have a tendancy to leak air really easy.  I would avoid them if I were you.  Just saves future headaches 

[sn toter]

DP markers have a tendancy to leak air really easy.  I would avoid them if I were you.  Just saves future headaches 

What are you basing that off?  I've had multiple DP markers (2 G3's, an F7, and an F8) and never experienced any problems.  Actually, they are some of the MOST reliable markers I've ever used.  Very simple, easy to maintain, and the noids are easily rebuildable.  They ARE one of the best values in the sport.  If you have a leak in a DP marker, 99% of the time it'll be a bad oring.  If it's a bad oring, 90% of the time it's user error for not keeping it properly lubed/tuned.  I'd have an FX if I still played semi frequently.

Also, I don't think spyders are all that bad.  You need to know how they work though becasue if you score a leak it's an easy fix if you knwo what you're looking for.  I'd stay away from these ones simply becasue they're electros, and the pancake noids they use are crap - but the mech Spyders aren't terrible for recreation players.  If you like the way they shoot, look at Azodin.  They are much higher quality of the same general design.

If you want a good elecro - you're looking in the right direction.  DP is a solid marker, you can also check out the Mini, PMR, SLG, or the Inspire BMG.  If you like Milsim a lot, take a look at the Tippmann mech Phenom - it's a proven design in a sturdy shell with a lot of milsim options.  Oh, there are always automags....

[Hudd]

If im buying a new gun for $300 I would get a mini or the new PMR. But if you willing to go used you could probably get a dm6/7 or a pm7/8 for around 300 and they would destroy anyting you can buy new for $300. But none of those are milsim guns so If you want that the Phenom looks like a good option.

[Caboose]

I heard about leaks and the stock fittings are wierd the macro comes loose alot so if you do you might wanna get new fittings and cut your macro a little longer than typically

[sn toter]

I heard about leaks and the stock fittings are wierd the macro comes loose alot so if you do you might wanna get new fittings and cut your macro a little longer than typically

User error, and yeah it's common.  The stock fittings are real tight, you have to pop the macroline in really hard till it 'snaps'. 

[Storm]

DP markers have a tendancy to leak air really easy.  I would avoid them if I were you.  Just saves future headaches 

What are you basing that off?  I've had multiple DP markers (2 G3's, an F7, and an F8) and never experienced any problems.  Actually, they are some of the MOST reliable markers I've ever used.  Very simple, easy to maintain, and the noids are easily rebuildable.  They ARE one of the best values in the sport.  If you have a leak in a DP marker, 99% of the time it'll be a bad oring.  If it's a bad oring, 90% of the time it's user error for not keeping it properly lubed/tuned.  I'd have an FX if I still played semi frequently.

Also, I don't think spyders are all that bad.  You need to know how they work though becasue if you score a leak it's an easy fix if you knwo what you're looking for.  I'd stay away from these ones simply becasue they're electros, and the pancake noids they use are crap - but the mech Spyders aren't terrible for recreation players.  If you like the way they shoot, look at Azodin.  They are much higher quality of the same general design.

If you want a good elecro - you're looking in the right direction.  DP is a solid marker, you can also check out the Mini, PMR, SLG, or the Inspire BMG.  If you like Milsim a lot, take a look at the Tippmann mech Phenom - it's a proven design in a sturdy shell with a lot of milsim options.  Oh, there are always automags....

I had tons of problems with valves in my G3.  And so did several other people that I know who played with them at the time.  They just didn't seem reliable to me.

[sn toter]

I had tons of problems with valves in my G3.  And so did several other people that I know who played with them at the time.  They just didn't seem reliable to me.

Valves?  Can you be more specific?  The only thing that can go wrong with a G3 is a bolt oring or a seloniod. 

[Bishop]

Appreciate all of your feedback. Going to pick Enhander's SLG and start from there. The milson pickup will be around the corner shortly, just havent decided if i want to go phenom or T9.1, both are great guns from what i've read.

[Riddler]

I've got to admit: I don't like the G3/G4 platform one bit.  Call it personal preference or what you will, that's just how I feel about the gun.  Do I think that there are other, better markers at that price point?  Honestly, not necessarily; the $300 electro gun market is odd.  It's that awkward price point just above STBBs and below most true electropneumatic semis, and I don't much care for any of the entries in the bracket.  I'd strongly recommend going used or ponying up a few extra bucks for something like an Etek3 or a Quest.  With that said...

As far as DP goes, I think they've shit the bed since the company was sold.  I have no experience with the new FX; it might be ok for all I know - their previous Fusion guns were decent little FASORs - but as far as the company goes, their customer service and quality control are non-existent.   The G4 is shipping with an allen key set that doesn't even contain the right wrench for regulator adjustment.  DP's idea of grease ("DP40," IIRC) is also too thick for proper marker function.  Go check PBN or other forums and read about the amount of G3/G4s that have inoperable bolt stick right out of the box until the crap is cleaned off and a proper lubricant is applied, or hell, how many are just plain coming DOA from the factory lately.

Yes, the markers, when properly maintained (and not defective from the factory), should be reliable.  It's a stupid simple design.  Just note that most of them have crap for boards, crap for triggers, and they kick awkwardly for such a small "spool valve" gun.  It has to be a design flaw associated with the platform's low volume/high pressure operation, because despite their higher reciprocating mass, the full-bodied Threshold and Rev-i just feel infinitely much better to shoot (although if you have a Rev-i, ditch that pressure gauge back cap before it starts leaking).

Just my $.02....