Havoc shotgun idea.

[BIGBOSS_202]

I was prowling youtube and stumbled on the following video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZZzXg4Mim4

I'm not sure if this can be considered general discussion or mod project. The idea is to give the Havoc launcher that was intended to shoot Nerf balls a way to fire a spread of paintballs like a shotgun.

[Riddler]

That's shockingly unsafe and inappropriate.  No field would ever allow that, and no responsible player should ever consider it.

Thumbs down.

[BIGBOSS_202]

I wasn't saying that it was a good idea. It was just something I found and decided to post it. I saw how it worked and wasn't impressed with it to be honest. That's why I have an M203. That would be better for that type of deal.

[Riddler]

I sincerely hope that you aren't using that launcher for anything other than nerf rockets.

[BIGBOSS_202]

I sincerely hope that you aren't using that launcher for anything other than nerf rockets.

I don't own a havok. My M203 on the other hand, I can use the RAP4 thunder shells to shoot either .43 or .68 caliber paintballs. Yet it can also be used to fire Nerf rockets. I mainly use that in rec or outlaw unless it's allowed on a regulated field.

[Riddler]

sigh. i just can't agree with the safety/morality/sportsmanship of blasting someone with a fistful of paintballs, presumably from close range. it isn't necessary or appropriate, IMO.

[BIGBOSS_202]

sigh. i just can't agree with the safety/morality/sportsmanship of blasting someone with a fistful of paintballs, presumably from close range. it isn't necessary or appropriate, IMO.

Their is that 15-20 foot safty rule that applys. From the videos I've seen on the matter from RAP4 testing it, it seems like a grey area on that. I'm also going to find out if they are allowed at my local field just to be safe.

[Riddler]

Safe? What could possibly be safe about firing a canister of paintballs at someone?

It's reckless, irresponsible, inappropriate, moronic, lame-brained, half-witted, lunk-headed, and asinine, to say the least.

When something is potentially hazardous to the recipient, what about it could possibly make you think that it's a good idea, or anything other than detrimental to the sport?  That level of idiocy is right up there with shooting marbles and frozen paintballs at each other.

If a field was ever negligent or careless enough to allow such stupidity, I sincerely hope that their insurance carrier would pull their coverage and shut them down.  Safety first, fun second (and launcher blasts of paintballs are neither).

[Jackson]

sigh. i just can't agree with the safety/morality/sportsmanship of blasting someone with a fistful of paintballs, presumably from close range. it isn't necessary or appropriate, IMO.

Just to play devils advocate... how is that much different from getting lit up by an electro from close range?

I've experimented with shotgun loads in my Havoc but have pretty much abandoned the idea.  The spread is absolutely horrible.  Beyond 30 feet you are lucky if one hits a man sized target.  And the velocity is not sufficient to ensure consistent breaks.  It is just not practical.

[Riddler]

sigh. i just can't agree with the safety/morality/sportsmanship of blasting someone with a fistful of paintballs, presumably from close range. it isn't necessary or appropriate, IMO.

Just to play devils advocate... how is that much different from getting lit up by an electro from close range?

I've experimented with shotgun loads in my Havoc but have pretty much abandoned the idea.  The spread is absolutely horrible.  Beyond 30 feet you are lucky if one hits a man sized target.  And the velocity is not sufficient to ensure consistent breaks.  It is just not practical.

I'm glad you asked.  I don't think reckless overshooting of any type is safe or appropriate.  Face it, paintball is a weekend hobby for 99% of its player base.  We're out there playing rec and scenarios to have safe fun.  Marker firepower has done nothing but increase since the inception of the sport.  Fields need to have ROF limits to enforce player safety, which promotes a fun time (and repeat business).  It's funny that the tourney scene, by utilizing strict ROF rules, is actually a step ahead of most field owners.  Not that I'm in love with ramping; I don't find it an elegant solution to the ROF problem.  But I digress...

So no, I don't much care for electro overshooting, either.  There are two chief differences, however, between electros and launchers that fire shotgun-spreads of paint:
1) trigger control - an electro can be ROF capped, and it only shoots as fast as the trigger is pulled.  the shooter has the ability to fire 10 balls, 5 balls or 1 ball at his target.  the launcher offers no such discrimination. 
2) safety - particularly mask safety (though nobody likes to be hit a dozen times at once - what about that is FUN?).  a considerable amount of force would be delivered to a mask when hit by launcher fire, potentially knocking it off a player's head.  this is the last thing we need in a game.

[BIGBOSS_202]

sigh. i just can't agree with the safety/morality/sportsmanship of blasting someone with a fistful of paintballs, presumably from close range. it isn't necessary or appropriate, IMO.

Just to play devils advocate... how is that much different from getting lit up by an electro from close range?

I've experimented with shotgun loads in my Havoc but have pretty much abandoned the idea.  The spread is absolutely horrible.  Beyond 30 feet you are lucky if one hits a man sized target.  And the velocity is not sufficient to ensure consistent breaks.  It is just not practical.

I'm glad you asked.  I don't think reckless overshooting of any type is safe or appropriate.  Face it, paintball is a weekend hobby for 99% of its player base.  We're out there playing rec and scenarios to have safe fun.  Marker firepower has done nothing but increase since the inception of the sport.  Fields need to have ROF limits to enforce player safety, which promotes a fun time (and repeat business).  It's funny that the tourney scene, by utilizing strict ROF rules, is actually a step ahead of most field owners.  Not that I'm in love with ramping; I don't find it an elegant solution to the ROF problem.  But I digress...

So no, I don't much care for electro overshooting, either.  There are two chief differences, however, between electros and launchers that fire shotgun-spreads of paint:
1) trigger control - an electro can be ROF capped, and it only shoots as fast as the trigger is pulled.  the shooter has the ability to fire 10 balls, 5 balls or 1 ball at his target.  the launcher offers no such discrimination. 
2) safety - particularly mask safety (though nobody likes to be hit a dozen times at once - what about that is FUN?).  a considerable amount of force would be delivered to a mask when hit by launcher fire, potentially knocking it off a player's head.  this is the last thing we need in a game.

I see your point their. In the video I posted, I just thought it would be fun to see what some are doing to the launcher itself. On my personal launcher thing, I wouldan't aim for the head intentaionaly with it. Otherwise I spoke today with the guys at the field I'm going to and they said it was cool. Otherwise, I'm just using it for that intimidation factor unless I get some of those Nerf rockets.

[Freeman]

Jackson made one with a Dixie cup. LOL. It is very interesting. But nerf rockets is where it's at.

[Enhander]

My take on it is this: I don't think that a launcher has a place as an anti-infantry weapon. Hands down its a bad idea. Any kind of launcher should be reserved for anti-vehicle or used to take out a hard point (building, bunker..etc.)

[BIGBOSS_202]

I'm not trying to start any fights. I see this one became a debate on the pros and cons of a concept that some have toyed with. I was just trying to say that the item I have on this issue can be considered somewhat safer in that respect because it was intended that way, or is the method that is approved on here.

[Running_Riot]

I was just trying to say that the item I have on this issue can be considered somewhat safer in that respect because it was intended that way, or is the method that is approved on here.

No.
I fail to see how shooting mass amounts of paintballs at an individual is considered "safer".  There is no difference between this and some trigger happy 30+ bps electro wielder.

You want safer?  Give everyone a semi.  Better yet, a pump so people will actually learn how to pick and take their shots instead of hosing down the target until they get a hit.

I see no better way to discourage a new player from returning then repeatedly shooting them all at once with a cluster shot of paintballs.

/rant.